What to take responsibility for

When I coach people, the main positive step occurs when the person stops feeling responsible for what other people think or feel and starts taking responsibility for what he or she thinks and feels.

Taking full responsibility for one’s own thinking, feelings and actions is liberating. Further freedom comes from stopping the worrying about what others might think.

One creates one’s own thoughts and feelings. What one thinks and feels is a choice. Always – even when it doesn’t seem like it. To conquer one’s own thoughts and emotions is hard. But it is a worthwhile quest.

When I read this post to Anette, she asked if I should include some practical examples where this viewpoint would be benificial. Then she added, “…or maybe you should ask your readers for good examples?” And so I do.

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119 thoughts on “What to take responsibility for

  1. It is true that to conquer ones own thoughts and emotions is hard. But the good news are, there are a lot of techniques which deal with it. I like what Bruce Lipton has to say about our cells. From where are our emotions and thoughts coming – and why? He explains it quite well and conclusive. But as I understood it you would like to know what benefit the viewpoint has you are teaching. It opens the up more possibilities in life to act freely in ones decisions.

  2. My definition for RESOUNSIBILITY, which is independent of human-centric “I”, is as follows.

    Responsibility is the response that is proper and adequate for addressing a situation.
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    1. Responsibility can increase only through a better perception and understanding of the situation, and NOT through some vague idea of a “will”.

  3. My life motto is “People change people.”

    Individual responsibility is good, but none of us changed our own diapers.

    “I am because WE are.”

    So individual responsibility is IMHO both the product of others AND a creation of ourselves.

    We create each other. And individual choice can direct that in some ways.

    So our friendships are very important!

  4. “Taking full responsibility for one’s own thinking, feelings and actions is liberating. Further freedom comes from stopping the worrying about what others might think”

    At first, when you do the above it becomes very lonely and scary. You get asked “Whats wrong, you’ve changed. You are not the same. Are you ok. ..

    But as you push along and keep to your path, it gets easier and life becomes smoother and less stress. It is still difficult as before but it is your difficulty so it is a journey that feels good rather than unpleasant.

    It is a path worth taking. In the end, you become more you and less attached to others.

    It is not easy though…..

  5. I had just finished watching a TED Talk on critics and was told by my roommate ( who was listening to the video also) that I rant when I attempted to discuss the video. I am telling myself to put my roommate on ignore.

  6. As we are in a broad game, where feelings are part of the experience, what I do can and may affect you. ” Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you, ” is very much a part of creating happiness, therefore my considerations of you, and vice versa are a tool for enhancing happiness, that has been used from ancient times.

    So to echo Katageek, we create each other. It goes further though. We are also responsible for creating the feelings (primary) and therefore thoughts (secondary) responses, in those around us.

    In the ideal situation, it is simply referred to as harmony. 🙂

    1. This is why one has to take full responsibility for one’s actions as they do influence others. But the feelings another is creating is his response and his responsibility.

  7. Geir, liberating idea? Definitely? I am all for freedom, providing we can adhere to responsibility in exercising it.

    Anette’s suggestion apparently stems from the heart, and not just from the head,

    So here are a couple of angles to consider, as well;

    1) Perhaps the “SANITY”, in certain others, will determine whether one should worry about what they “think” of you. i) a free spirited damsel, in a provocative outfit, walking through a dingy area, being a simple case in point. ii). you have a run in, with a nasty s.o.b in your youth, only to later find he now has a top position in the revenue services, and has your tax number clearly in his sights. iii) The top guy sitting on Capitol Hill, is the guy who issues the order to bomb China!, or worse, vice versa with the top guy in China.

    2) The Japanese are renowned for having developed one of the most sophisticated cultures around, based on the principles of good manners and respect. That translates
    to: a) grant importance to the other person. b) maintain two-way communication. It also translates to being socially responsible, (able to think of others, and vice versa)

    3) It would appear, that the more individualistic, a person becomes, that can spell huge advantages for them, unless they then begin to fail on being responsible on their other dynamics, thereby. So it appears there is a fine line between enhancing or compromising survival (in the broader sense of the word), hinging entirely around the awareness of the needs of your other dynamics, and what they think of you, in turn.

    In conclusion, it seems that a middle of the road approach, may yield the more satisfactory results, in “what to take responsibility for.”

    2c.

    1. This is an ineteresting post from racing. It reminds me of Quantum Mechanics where wave-frequency type inertia is congealing to form the particle-mass type inertia.

      The particle-mass type inertia is more discrete or individualistic. It represents the culture in America.

      The wave-frequency type inertia is more continuous or social. It represents the culture in Japan.

      Today we have spiritual Quantum Mechanics going in the world culture.

      1. Looks like we still have the old dichotomies at odds Vin. Theta vs MEST (Spirituality vs. Materialism). Just can’t have one without the other, since time immemorial.

        Comforting though, to know we can succeed (when we DO), at creating a little space and a little time, to enjoy a brief respite of one, from the other, hey?

        (But of course, there’s a time and a season for everything, if we simply accept that, in quiet humility!) 🙂

          1. So we’ve been informed…. as a professional artist, (sculptor), I can attest to being guilty of reducing Theta to concrete form (MEST) repeatedly. 3-D form just impinges on the senses a little better. 🙂

            1. Uh-uh Vin. The buck has to stop with “someone”. MEST is not so adept at grand scale creation of an “original” kind, at will. It (MEST) effects its unfolding with force., and operates with all those laws of physics, to which I believe you are privy.

              I think you are as convinced as any one of us, that there is a primary ‘entity’ behind the causation of original thought (creation), which orchestrates and directs the mental construct of our ‘imagined’ images. Sitting at your computer, right now, you duplicate, (or approximate) the image conveyed to you, then create an appropriate, textured, emotion or significance imbued concept, in a NEW unit of time, to ostensibly create an effect, with an astonishing array of possible outcomes, many of them retrieved from memory storage, BUT also, the miracle of total originality, that “one” can pour from one’s imagination’s magic wand.

            2. The buck stops with the universe because there is nothing beside the universe. Creator and creation are just aspects of the universe.

            3. Whoa V&C. before we wander too far down this road, there’s the wee matter of Geir’s OP. ….So, ahem…… Gentlemen?

            4. Everything in our environment nudges everything else in our environment. I try to maintain control of my own emotions and beyond this, I nudge and ask for cooperation. I depend on cooperation to make almost any idea execute. I don’t kid myself about my own horsepower or KW rating. It is not much. I try to control my emotions and understand and remember that I need the cooperation of others.

            1. hehe – Barnacle Bill is cool. Sometimes we just need some examples to compare our ideas to. Admitting the possibility that we could be wrong about our metaphors is the first step to world peace. Noticing that we cannot do this is the first step toward working toward the possibility of admitting that we could be wrong which is the first step toward world peace. just sayin’

          1. Your two wheeled beaut, parked off in the garage, better not hear that, Chris.
            — Just sayiin’ back 🙂

            1. Hey Calvin, I like the part of riding fast where the activity condenses my focus and pushes out inconsequential maundering. No room for overthinking as that gets me in trouble!

  8. It’s not a real life example. It’s a very short story of mine (a nano-story if you will) I wrote some years ago, but I think it somehow addresses the subject. It’s written in Spanish, but I attempt a translation afterwards.

    Apólogo-imagen de elefante quitándose un peso de encima

    La elefanta, luego de haber logrado ponerse aquel apretado corsé, miraba su imagen en el espejo una y otra vez, aún no convencida. Pero al fin, ya conforme, se dijo a sí misma: «La mona se viste de seda y nadie le dice nada». Terminó de arreglarse y se fue a su fiesta.

    Loose translation:

    Fable-picture of elephant lifting a weight off itself

    An elephant female, after having managed to put on a stiff, tight corset, looked in the mirror again and again, but she was not satisfied with her image. However, finally content, she said to herself: “The monkey wears silk and nobody criticizes her”. She finished dressing herself and went to her party.

    Useful information:

    This tale is a reference to a Spanish saying that goes: “Aunque la mona se vista de seda, mona se queda” (Even though a monkey wears silk, it stays a monkey). So far I haven’t found an English equivalent.

  9. There are many English equivalents. “You can put lipstick on a pig, but she is still a pig” is one. The “Emperor’s New Clothes” is another similar metaphor for acknowledging the tautology of “It is what it is.” I think every culture has this metaphor, simile, or analogy.

    1. Thanks for the equivalents. Chris. And, yes, I’m sure every culture and language has one. It’s just that I couldn’t find one in English right now.

      1. You’re welcome! There are a lot lot of these. Apparently people like their cliches, I know I do! Back when I was studying Scientology and mental image pictures, etc., it occurred to me one day that my father thought in cliches. That seemed humorous to me at the time, still does.

        1. Scientologists think in scientology cliches, to do with Theta, MEST, thetan, responsibility, etc. Such cliches persist even when the scientologist has left the church. A good study of such cliches is Marildi. Such a cliche may even be embedded in the OP above.

          1. Yes, I can see what you mean. One thing with which I have become less comfortable are “superlatives.” Again, in my home growing up, we used a lot of superlatives such as the worst and the best, etc.,. When we weren’t using superlatives, we used intensifiers. We almost never had a good day, we had a very good day. We didn’t have bad days, we had very bad days. It is as though our words to one another weren’t important without spicing them up to make them impinge. Possibly this was rooted in a kind of apathy of ever being heard.

            The “full” responsibility of the OP is something that I used to know the meaning of but no more. The benchmark of it escapes me and no amount of explaining will fix it for me. The reason for me seems to be that I no longer think in terms of an OT world view but rather in a “process” and “iteration” world view and though that may not communicate very well, it is something I am still working out.

            1. The concept of 100% responsibility is borrowed from an earlier mentor of mine – Hans Trygve Kristiansen – the coach of the great Olympian skater Johan Olav Koss. Nothing to do with Scientology, guys. Move along.

  10. Geir: “Taking full responsibility for one’s own thinking, feelings and actions is liberating. Further freedom comes from stopping the worrying about what others might think.”

    Finding the right justification can be very libertaing as Hypertext’s elephant did.

    1. On a second thought, in this case, the justification per se is not relevant. It’s just the vehicle the elephant uses to express her realisation of how meaningless it is to care about what others think of her.

      1. What about the whole subject of PR, which is designed to make one well thought of. People use it to project their personal self in good light. Some are obsessed about it.

        How does that fit into this equation?

  11. “Taking full responsibility for one’s own thinking, feelings and actions is liberating. Further freedom comes from stopping the worrying about what others might think.”

    To include stopping with “do or die expectations” or any expectations at all about what we can get others to think or to do. That is liberating as well and part of the liberation package.

    My own sense of this hamburger of a word “responsibility” is so raw, that is the reason for my quibbling. I don’t mean to nitpick, I’m just drawn that way!

  12. Not all activities are competitions, not all activities require Olympian effort and intentions to see through. Some activities like getting the kids to school on time and seeing what their homework is and that it is getting done requires clearly prioritizing what is important, what to pay attention to and what not to pay attention to. It’s great to use Herculean examples of responsibility but when making examples, we need relevance.

    1. It was relevant to me. He was my mentor a few years back. And it directly answered yours and Vin’s supposition that it had something to do with Scientology.

      1. I don’t mean relevance to Scientology, I mean fractal, order of magnitude relevance such as one thing to another thing. I guess I didn’t know where you were going with the OP, I’m out of practice. In my own thinking, basic responsibility might begin with the emanation of a single photon. Then it kinds of goes up from there. We have and we do mash many disciplines together in these discussions. And for me social relevance, scientific relevance, religious relevance; I do blend their metaphors.

        In sports relevance, 100% responsibility does not produce winners, it produces “personal bests,” now am I tracking?

  13. The whole background of competition as espoused in a capitalistic society, supports individualism. Such a background is non-supportive of cooperation at a deep fundamental level.

    In such an environment, total responsibility is geared toward “I” winning over others. This very idea was made into a religion in Scientology. Scientology is actualiy a product of a Capitalistic society in which Ayn Rand type extreme individualism is worshipped. Thus the appeal of Scientology is limited to Western societies, and much more so to American society..

    In truth, responsibility is nothing more than a proper and adequate response to a situation. It is a very simple concept that depends on the understanding of situation.
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  14. Here is an example that may resonate with a few of you.

    When I first did TRs oh so long ago, I found them to be liberating. I had finally learned a technique that offered a solution to the problem of others being able to negatively impact my own emotional state. It took work, and sometimes, I wasn’t always successful, but with practice, I learned to develop and customize my own state of equanimity which I retain to this day.

    You could say this was taking responsibility for my own state of mind.

    I think a great deal of any beneficial effects the TRs may have can be attributed to gaining control and taking responsibility for one’s own emotional state.

    1. Congrats, John Doe, I believe you are the first. to offer up that oh-so-illusive example, that Geir had requested, on behalf of Anette! On reflection, I decided to re-examine Geir’s statement in the OP.

      Geir: “Taking full responsibility for one’s own thinking, feelings and actions is liberating. Further freedom comes from stopping the worrying about what others might think.

      TR-O Did that for me too, waaaay back then (1971) — as it continues to do today, — if applied! Simply get someone in a chair opposite me, if the going gets too rough, or overwhelming, and voila, soon, we’re back in business!! Neat trick hey? (and it doesn’t cost a cent, either, lol.) 🙂

    2. TR0 was a turning point for me too, but it has not worked uniformly for everyone because the following explicit instructions (mindfulness) are missing:

      1. Become aware of the body and stay aware of it without interfering with its natural movements, such as, that of breathing. Do not resist anything.

      2. Become aware of the mind and stay aware of it without interfering with its natural processes, such as, thoughts and feelings. Do not suppress anything.

      3. Become aware of what your physical and mental senses present to you, such as, visual forms, sounds, smells, taste, touch, thoughts, emotions, and impulses. Do not strain to perceive them.

      4. Let the body move in response to the natural impulses from the mind. Do not try to control the body movements. Let them unwind and settle down on their own.

      5. Let the mind respond naturally to the stimuli present in the environment. Do not try to control the mental responses. Let them unwind and settle down on their own.

      6. Let physical reactions, such as, twitches in muscles, minor pains and aches, sleepiness, etc., come and go. Don’t resist them. Experience the body as a whole, thoroughly.

      7. Let mental reactions, such as, embarrassment, guilt, anxiety, anger, fear, grief, apathy, and even sleep, come and go. Don’t suppress them. Experience the mind as a whole, non-judgmentally.

      8. If you find yourself mentally doing something else, or getting lost in thoughts, then simply recognize it, and continue. Let the attention roam freely.

      9. Let the “pictures” of the current and past events come and go. Let the feelings, emotions and sensations play themselves out. Do not speculate on anything. Simply be aware.

      10. Let the realizations present themselves without you making any effort.

      1. When coaching people, I usually sum it up to this: “Sit down on a chair, close your eyes, stay awake and let everything simmer down. When you are calm and really mentally present, you are done.”

  15. Maybe a very simple way of thinking about taking responsibility is: I can only control my own responses (and being responsible would mean working to respond in beneficial or appropriate ways rather than reacting in ways that bring difficulty or disempowerment).

    I cannot control the responses of others, but I can control my own responses to their responses and reactions and still act in ways that are responsible.

    Hi Chris! Hi Vinay! Hi Geir!

    1. Hi Maria! 🙂

      That is what I think. One cannot control responses of others, but one can observe the situation, and control one’s own responses to manage the situation in the best way possible.

      Usually people point fingers at others, and try to control their responses by hook or by crook. They do nothing to control their own responses. They operate on the computation that they are right and the other person is wrong.

  16. One of my customers, has spent her lifetime keeping her father happy with what she has gotten in life. Now she has more than forty years old, being a mother, entrepreneur, CEO of her own company but at the end, she feels something is missing in her inside. Guess what, she is right! She has missed herself the last forty years, because she is what others want her to be and not what she wants to be.
    This is a true but sad story. Gtgs. Dave

  17. One of my favorite stories concerning courage is that of Prometheus. Prometheus goes against Zeus’s law and gives fire to mankind. Since no good deed goes unpunished, Zeus pins Prometheus to a rock and has an eagle come rip open his stomach with his beak every morning and eat his liver itty-bitty-bite by itty-bitty-bite. Since Prometheus is an Immortal Titan, he heals every day only to face the torture again every sunrise with a new stomach and liver.

    Sounds kinda like “Saw” right?

    Anyway, Prometheus has an epiphany of courage and right about then along comes Zeus’s emissary to tell Prometheus in a condescending tone…

    “Just say you’re sorry and be Zeus’s little bitch and everything will be fine.”

    Prometheus, not willing to give up his will, declares.

    “I care less than nothing for Zeus. Let him do what he likes.”

    ***

    Sadly, this doesn’t hold true in the land of human torture because we aren’t Titans. Everyone, and I do mean EVERYONE can be broken by human torture. Broken such that no normal life is possible again even when freed.

    So if one is to take responsibility, one first must start there. The fact that you can be broken beyond repair in one lifetime by others.

    Owning that, is the first step IMHO.

    “Courage is the best slayer. Courage which attacketh. It even conquers death itself. For it says, ‘Was THAT life? Once more then!” – Zarathustra

  18. Thanks Racing. I spent a lot of time on the subject of surviving torture.

    Some recover better, but the fact is if they want to truly break you – they can. And they sometimes do.

    The intimacy that a torturer has with the afflicted is so insidious, that sometimes the tortured loses all sense of self and cannot even face being in the presence of another human being upon release.

    And the severe cases usually don’t get better. Sometimes they lock themselves away in a room and eat only what is handed to them. Human contact for them has become so painful that it must be avoided at all costs.

    So in many ways, the sense of a human self is created by those in our lives and destroyed by those in our lives. So, in looking for the free-will soul, nothing in science points to it. And the bottom line is that torture can break the sense of self 100% of the time given the right evil bastard.

    So, this whole “I can choose how I respond” is … breakable. It’s not an “ALWAYS.”

    And I feel that it is better replaced with “I can choose how I respond until I am broken beyond choosing” and/or “I can choose how I respond to the fact that I am breakable.”

    The hidden lie in all this “I can choose my response” stuff is the notion that we are unbreakable.

    IMHO, if an unbreakable soul exists, then it’s only IF the Possible Truth of this universe is a subset of the Impossible Truth. This means that impossible things create possible things.

    If such is the case, we have a Soul that can be responsible because Harry Potter says so or Santa Claus or … ME!

    And there is no way Science can verify this. It’s answer will always be “no soul responsible” because it works only in the realm of the possible.

    So if you want to take responsibility, you must be an acting impossibility.

    1. Good job, Kat. And as a martial arts man yourself, I get that you have been exposed to confronting pain, as a matter of training, toughness and discipline. But torture, as you have described, is an experience for which no human being is prepared.

      The whole purpose, after all, IS to break the person, even to the point of the most excruciating, agonizing death/s imaginable -(if one can, that is.)

      Trying to confront this act, never mind the pain involved, (since you CANNOT escape), is the ultimate confrontation of evil.

      Those who have, need to share their methods, as a spiritual prop for those unfortunate souls who may have to confront such a fate befalling them, in their line of work, or duty.

      Very sobering post, my friend. thanks for sharing.

    2. So, Katageek, you are saying that “I” can be destroyed under torture. That means “I” is impermanent. Is that “I” the same as the thetan or the soul? Does the thetan or the soul gets destroyed under torture?

      1. In this mythos, an unbreakable, Impossible soul can experience the possible’s destruction with no ill effects at all. But the possible self is suffering like a motherfucker. Thus, when torture destroys a possible person utterly, it is destroying a POSSIBLE value, not an IMPOSSIBLE value.

        In this mythos, I think the middle man of a thetan is unnecessary. There is the Impossible Self experiencing all possible realities for the sake of its own purposes from a universe where division of zero is allowed. As such ANY postulate is true.

        So division of zero is the maker of the possible subset, and impossible subset.

        DISCLAIMER: This is all faith-based stuff. No proof at all other than the argument using the division of zero to divide the “possible soul universe” from the “impossible soul universe” with the possible being a sub-set to the impossible.

        To the impossible soul in this mythos, a good torture to total ruin is just a horror movie. To the possible? Not so much.

        OTHER NOTION: “A point is that which has no part.” – Euclid. A Santa Clause with flying reindeer is impossible in our universe and thus has no part. Therefore, Santa Clause IS A POINT. Any impossible thing that has no part is a point. So the possible is a subset of the impossible and my best guess is that the impossible set is the highest order of infinity.

        Therefore Santa and I co-create the Universe in this mythos.

        Yeah, it’s impossible. But what if the impossible drives the possible?

        So, anyway, that’s the best, most concrete hope of an immutable soul I can come up with.

    3. I almost died this last week Kat. I journeyed into this landscape of which you speak. What you have said echoes my experience in an uncanny way. Wonderful summary!

        1. You said it very well actually: There is the Impossible Self experiencing all possible realities for the sake of its own purposes from a universe where division of zero is allowed. As such ANY postulate is true.

          I now see event horizons in metaphors of reality – so alive, so wonderfully gratefully alive!

          1. Maria,

            Please understand that, to me, over the years, you have become more than just words on a screen. You are a voice in my life. And through the POSSIBLE magic of technology, I know the voice and heart of Maria, but even so, I have no image of her, nor do I know her full name, nor a lot of her story.

            And this voice I know that appears only in pixels separated by time and space, this MARIA voice just wrote …

            “I almost died last week Kat.”

            So …

            HOW ARE YOU?

            1. I got really sick last year Kat with lung cancer. I had extensive treatment for it and things were really looking good, especially since I decided to do a really proactive wellness building regime, working with as many reality layers as I can access using every bit of knowledge i have gleaned from my studies and learnings in the last decades. It has been a truly wonderful journey in terms of life, living, and my own deep sense of the world. I have taken to savouring what I experience, yes, even the tortuous pain and you are right — at least embodied and immanent, there can be a zone where there seems not to be free will. And yet, right there on that event horizon are extraordinary impossible people who may seem ordinary even mundane, but are breathtaking in their amazing possibility. Possibility and probability.

              Last week I learned that the cancer had gone to a brain tumour – only one, and easily removed but not without finding myself in reaches where sometimes even metaphors fail. And in that “place” a presence so warm and full of life I was on my knees.

            2. Maria, I hope you are staying here a good while longer. I’ve come to value your voice very much.

            3. Thank you guys for all your care! I am not so sure really what anyone can do on this process. And it is clear to me that it is a process, unfolding, a Katageek says, breathless. The last few years have been precious to me, as doors of insight have opened one after another and often simultaneously in layers that are juicy and bright. I always saw this possibility, it is there for all of us, but I am so glad I came to the brink where there is this open pathway so that I could breathe in my world and share such fine times. I would love to some day meet you all, and given my good successes so far, it seems that may not be a stretch at all to do so. Que sera. And I am really good with my process!

            4. Maria, you have shared your inner ‘soul’, quite literally. So thank you. Positivity is a superlative tool, that serves to lift the spirit, when needed. I’m immediately aware of just how ‘in touch’, you really are / have become. Let’s just say, that I have had enough direct interaction with people, some as mere acquaintances, but also those nearest and dearest to me, who are now no longer in the battle, but in peace.

              Adyashanti, with whom I’m sure you are acquainted, expressed some liberating truths in his videos, when he spoke of the ‘something more primary’, which lays behind ‘the me’.

              The wonderful realization for me personally, was to cognite on the fact that one simply IS! … And that EVERYTHING else…. is simply added on…. that’s all it took, to set me free too!

              …. With you,

              Love Calvin. 🙂

            5. Maria, thank you for being bold with your struggles and the precious reality you now have.

              It is yours, and if we are wise enough to see, ours as well.

          2. Dear Maria, I’m very sad to read what I’ve already read but I’m sure a strong person like you will never give up. You can beat cancer, why not? There are so many people who’ve done it. Be positive! We love you, we need you here. This blog community is a virtual world only because we don’t meet each other physically, but in fact life is very…live here, due to continuous “volcano” of ideas. Maria, all of us here are by your side, remember this. If you feel depressed, remember us. If you feel alone, remember us. We are not only nicknames, we are human beings, with good and bad things as everybody else. So when we think and care about you, it’s more than real! God help you! Deep, deep love. Dragos.

  19. The practical upshot of my nonsense Vin goes back to Nietzsche.

    “Amor fati.”

    Part of me CAN confront even my total undoing from torture and LOVE it and hug it as the TRUTH through laughter and dance.

    And people think he was a Nihilist. Humbug!

    “So that was life? Well then. ONCE MORE!”

    1. Basically, Nietzsche was very dissatisfied with the current morality and the condition of man. He dreamed of evolution of man toward Übermensch, a state that transcended the current state of man. Nietzsche was looking for coherency and consistency in nature.

      The word “self-mastery” is the key to understanding Nietzsche correctly. Übermensch was not created by adding, training or inculcating “desirable” characteristics in man. Übermensch was an evolution brought about by reducing man to his natural state.

      To Nietzsche, Übermensch was a state in which man was congruent with his natural self.

      For Nietzsche, a resolution of the social, cultural, and moral contexts was necessary to evolve man toward Übermensch.

      1. Yes, but when one ISN’T the Overman, what does one do? He addresses that as well. And it is exactly the responsibility Geir talks about in the OP.

        Amor Fati.

        Arrogant, unflinching courage toward the truth.

        1. Amor fati seems to mean “accepting what is there for what it is”. That sounds like mindfulness to me, which is. what Buddha taught (seeing things as they are), and which is what I subscribe to.

          It is very different from “Arrogant, unflinching courage toward the truth.” It is just appreciating and accepting reality for what it is.
          .

          1. It translates into “The Love of Fate.” I take it up to “arrogant, unflinching courage toward the truth” myself. Because love, real love, is courageous, bold and fearless.

            My take.

  20. To Nietzsche, Übermensch was a state in which man was congruent with his natural self.

    I give this an official “Fuck Yeah Vin.”

    1. So then to Nietzsche, with his Ubermensch, Kat with his “Because love, real love, is courageous, bold and fearless” and Vin, who “differs, since I am from the East”, and finally to our host , Geir, with his multitude of inspirations, I say:

      ” Have one on me, boys!” — (clink, clink, clink, clink, clink!……)

  21. “Further freedom comes from stopping the worrying about what others might think”. There are 2 sides of the flip coin here: one negative and one positive. The negative is when one loose his(her) head and become arrogant. Sometimes what others think might be a filter of one’s behavior. The positive one is fantastic and I experienced on myself when I was 24. I was in a recovery after a surgical operation on my knees and felt extremely ashamed to walk with crutches. My therapist started a psychological war against my stuck brain. The same as Geir, he freed me of worrying about what others might think about my handicap. Geir’s example is about business, coaching, training etc…But the attitude is the same. JUST WHEN I realized that I have to stop worrying about what others might think about me, I was able to completely focus on my walking recovery. In about 6 months since then I started to walk again without crutches.
    The lesson I’ve learned is that attitude is the most important, doesn’t matter the situation in which one is involved. A positive mind is the shortest path to success. Always!

    1. Absolutely my uncompromising own view too, Dragos. Great success derives from a great attitude. Lovely to see this positive enthusiasm, in anyone.

      Cheers, Calvin. 🙂

  22. I think personal responsibility
    is limited by others. the person
    chooses which responsibility
    has priority, both for himself
    than for others.

  23. Guys, this weekend I had my first watching of “The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt” on Netflix. It’s hilarity is only outpaced by its brilliant undercurrent of how cult psychology actually works and how to overcome it!

    “UNBREAKABLE! They alive dammit. It’s a Miracle! UNBREAKABLE! They alive dammit. Those females are STRONG AS HELL!”

  24. Its difficult define common words, or pin down their exact definition!
    since even an amoeba is able respond to stimulus, and thus I take it for granted that nobody have an amoeba in mind when they are talking about responsibility! Even a reckless person knows what responsibility is, but he don’t care!

    Its a myth that you are responsible for your acts!
    But it is truth that we are responsible for our unlawful acts as can be seen when somebody is put to justice! The lawful acts I am free to do as I see fit, and you are free to accept, or reject these acts!

  25. Joseph Campbell
    From the Recorded Lectures
    Volume 1: Mythology and the individual; l.1.3 Symbolism and the individual.
    (Caps Mine for Emphasis Regarding the OP)

    “And it’s my little thesis, that this wonderful discovery of our wonderful European-Western world … of the charm … and power in charm of the individual fault is the great, great gift we have to give to the world.

    “We can have the perfections of the Buddhas to enjoy from this side of Iran so to say.

    “On the other hand, it is almost impossible to convince anyone who has spent his whole devotion addressing the perfections of the Buddhas – to convince any such person that the wonderful thing is precisely this individual uniqueness – THE RESPONSIBILITY you take for your own peculiarities, for your own decisions for your own ‘vote’ so to say.

    “My … uh … last word then in relationship to this enormous theme Mr. Fairchild had the courage to propose to me is …

    ((DRAMATIC PAUSE))

    “I care less than nothing for Zeus. Let him do what he likes.”

  26. #In my own personal opinion, the good definition of full responsibility could smt like this: “Taking full responsibility means that a person always admits that he is always and forever the cause for all his own creations including his own perceiving, thoughts, decisions, feelings, actions and products.”

    #The person is not responsible (or at least not fully responsible) for others creations so that he do not need worry about their perceiving, thoughts, decisions, feelings about themselves, others or me.

  27. Updated version of my previous comment: #If we are going to discuss about the responsibility, let’s firstly define what “the full responsibility” means. My personal opinion is that a good definition of full responsibility could smt like this: “Taking full responsibility means that a person admits and operate in the mode that he is always and forever the total cause for all his own creations including his own perceivings, thoughts, beliefs, decisions, feelings, actions and products.” I think that a person could and should admit and always conceive that he is fully responsible for all his own creations and therefore operate accordingly. #Summary: If a person is the full cause of it, he is fully responsible for it. If a person is only partial cause for it, he would had only some level of level of responsibility (or better said influence) over it.

    #On the other hand, I think that a person person is either not responsible or at least not fully responsible (he could have only some level of influence) for others creations. Therefore a person do not need worry about others own perceivings, thoughts, beliefs, decisions, feelings, actions and products and he can only influence it to the some degree. But he has full responsibility for all his influence. #Summary: If a person have not been a cause and have not created smt, he is not responsible for it. If a person influenced smt/sb, he is only partialy responsible for it and fully responsible for his influence.

    #Summary of my answer: I think that I am fully responsible for all my own creations. I have partial responsibility or influence for common creations and I do not have responsibility for creations of others if I have not created any part of it. Also, I am fully responsible for any influence I have.

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