The Church of Scientology has gone down the drain. It is perpetrating abuses daily and that makes many people angry.
It is easy to blame. Much harder to understand. Much harder to respect other’s beliefs and gains.
What if the gains some people reports from Scientology is real?
What if Scientology did do them a world of good?
Would you rather they didn’t have the gains?
Is David Miscavige the true source of what ails the Church of Scientology?
Given that LRH was a great OT, what cause does he have in the abuses happening in the church today?
What exactly did he write or didn’t he write that allowed the current scene to happen?
Could we safeguard this from happening again?
Dare to challenge your beliefs.
What if the madness you see in your Org is not merely due to local craziness?
What if the problems you see are generated from the very top?
Maybe it really is a trickle-down effect?
What if your church is run by a dictatorship?
What if the abuses reported in the media is real?
Would you care?
Who is Heber Jentzsch?
Who is Marc Yager?
Who is Ray Mithoff?
Who is Russ Bellin?
Who is Norman Starkey?
Who is David Mayo?
Who is Dan Koon?
Who is Debbie Cook?
Who is David Miscavige?
The answer is out there.
Google “Musical chairs Yager“
“When a method becomes senior to a desired outcome, and when that method gathers a crowd.”
I came to this definition as a result of my latest article on process vs. output. That article has been reworked and is ready for publication. Stay tuned.
This blog has been active for 1,5 years now. It replaced my old Scientology blog as I wanted to move my open writing into any area that tickled my fancy. Like free will and other existential philosophical subjects, HP calculators and other technical subjects, as well as life and living.
This space is marked by many long and interesting discussion by very smart people with very different viewpoints. When I write somewhat controversial posts, the discussions usually counts several hundred comments, some even more than a thousand. This has become the blog on the Internet that gathers the most replies on specific Scientology-related subjects. Perhaps because it tackles the core philosophy of Scientology and possibly because it retains a fairly objective stance, being neither effusively pro nor toxically against. But rather exploring, evaluating and searching for areas to improve.
However, my interest lies not with Scientology. What occupies me is enlightenment, truth, free will and general improvement. Any tool should remain junior to an intended result. Except for my HP-41… it remains a solution is search of a problem. Being a nerd at heart, I luv my tools – but I still try to keep my eyes focused on the goals. I try to do what generates the best results toward those goals.
Do the discussions on this blog? Are they worth it? What are they worth? Almost a hundred comments per day is a lot. Maybe it’s time to end the discussions while on the top?
Now and then the discussion crops up of what L. Ron Hubbard really contributed of value to the world. Like with most Scientology discussions, the debaters tend to fall pretty squarely into two camps. This polarizing is sometimes puzzling or seems right out weird for those not so familiar with the subject and its history. Hell, it still puzzles me.
I would like to see if we can have a level-headed discussion to try to sift out Hubbard’s groundbreaking contributions, if any.
There is no doubt that the man was a prolific writer with some 65 million words of non-fiction and around 500 novels and short stories published. He covered a great many fields from religion, spirituality and enlightenment to mental therapy, organizational philosophy, family therapy, study technology, physics, photography, ethics, justice, politics, history, electronics, human behavior and evaluation, communication and much more. According to Wikipedia; “Hubbard is the Guinness World Record holder for the most published author, with 1,084 works, most translated book (70 languages for The Way to Happiness) and most audiobooks (185 as of April 2009)“. In addition to being a writer, he was a navy officer, an organizational leader, photographer, explorer – a prominent contributor in many fields.
What do you see as his greatest gifts to mankind?
This blog post was submitted by Alanzo, one of the frequent commenters on this blog). It proposes a way to evaluate Scientology – by the way proposed by Scientology itself. This should prove interesting:
As Hubbard said, Scientology does not produce Understanding, but it produces UnderstandingS.
A good way to produce understandingS on Scientology itself, is to apply Logic 8 to various parts and areas of Scientology.
Logic 8 is “A datum can be evaluated only by a datum of comparable magnitude.”
So I propose the next thought experiment here on Geir’s Blog: Take a piece of Scientology and apply Logic 8 to it. Take any datum of comparable magnitude to any part of Scientology and compare the two data.
Here’s an example:
Compare the first Auditor’s Code (Original Thesis 1947) to the last Auditor’s Code (HCOB 1980).
Evaluate these two pieces of Scientology by comparing them with each other. Look at how one point of the code has been left out. Look at how another point has been added. Sometimes there will be explanations for these changes, sometimes not. You do not have to accept any explanation for what you see when you compare, just look at the differences, similarities and identities and decide for yourself.
See?
This exercise is totally free of any agenda, either pro Scientology or anti. It’s purpose is the same purpose as Logic 8 – to evaluate Scientology.
It is the application of Logic 8 to Scientology itself.
You don’t have to be limited to comparing something in Scientology only with something else in Scientology, though. In fact, I believe that the real value of Logic 8 begins to emerge when you start comparing parts of Scientology with things outside of Scientology.
For instance:
Compare the Citizen’s Commission on Human Rights to Amnesty International.
Or compare the Volunteer Ministers to the Red Cross.
“A datum can be evaluated only by a datum of comparable magnitude.”
LRH says that this is the ONLY way to evaluate something.
So let’s evaluate Scientology, then!
Who’s ready to start?
This is a post from Vinaire, one of the frequent posters here, that I decided deserved its own blog post for discussion:
Here is my summary assessment of Scientology.
(1) Scientology consists of much ground breaking work by Hubbard.
(2) Scientology introduce a whole new plateau to addressing the problems of the mind.
(3) The work on this breakthrough is, however, far from complete.
(4) The success from application of Scientology is far from consistent.
(5) Any lack of success gets blamed on the practitioners of Scientology.
(6) Unmanageable difficulties seem to exist in the application of Scientology.
(7) Correction lists have become a part of “standard Scientology.”
(8) A closer look at Scientology shows a lack of application of the principle of poka-yoke .
(9) Looking is the key to successes in Scientology auditing.
(10) Scientology does not seem to put emphasis on Looking.
(11) Scientology takes up Looking on OT TR0 and Obnosis, but it fails to treat Looking systematically and highlight its importance in auditing.
(12) Principles of Looking, when applied, seem to provide poka-yoke to Scientology processes.
(13) These principles of Looking are now being developed under the heading of KHTK
(14) KHTK is a work in progress. All are welcome to improve upon this work.
Merry XMas and a Happy New Year!
This blog post is inspired by one of the many excellent contributors here, our One and Only Maria.
In my blog post “Scientology thought experiment“, I asked about what the future could hold if Scientology as described by L. Ron Hubbard would conquer the world. My conclusion went like this:
The CoS will expand into every corner of the world as it cannot do anything but expand per policy. It aims to free every person on Earth. And by the use of Scientology tech since that is actually the only way to set someone free. Everyone should then be a scientologist and would be on the org board of the CoS. They would then have to be on a regular course schedule per week and would be subject to ethics actions if not. If they do any out ethics in life, they would again be subject to the ethics tech. They would train and they would go up the Bridge. They would enter into leadership positions in the government and in all spheres of influence. And again, if they did anything unethical, they would be subject to ethics, tech and admin. They would be required to use policy to handle admin situations, and as LRH admin tech is in fact the only workable admin tech there is, using anything else would have to come under the heading of squirreling or out-ethics. Thus admin tech would be in use most everywhere. Leaders would lead according to LRH scriptures as doing otherwise is again counter intentional and out ethics. It should only be natural that they would want to be ethical as LRH has laid out, use the tech standardly and apply policy appropriately. Out ethics is treated with the ethics gradient and there would be a swifter justice system than the cumbersome judicial system we see in our society today. As no Scientologist could take another Scientologist to court (forbidden by policy), then our system of Law and Order would naturally be replaced by LRH’s ethics and justice policies. Every citizen would deem it only natural to write KRs on any outpoint they see, be it in the work place, in the Church structure, amongst friends or in families. PTSness is thus reported as per policy as it is a crime to do otherwise. No criticism of Scientology would ever happen as that is a suppressive act, and no one would leave Scientology and tell about it as that, too would be suppressive. No one would create any problems, and no one would have any unkind thoughts of LRH, Mary Sue or the CoS Management. Wars would be handled before any ARC break could escalate to that level of conflict. No drugs would be peddled, and the insane would be given the Introspection Rundown and then be given the proper auditing actions to again return to the Bridge and continue on their road to freedom. There would be no splinter groups as the CoS would hold it’s LRH given monopoly on all the tech. Psychiatry would long since have been obliterated and the same with psychology or any other practice targeted by LRH’s orders, advices or policy. Other religions would be tolerated, but only to the point where they would not in any way interfere with the progress up the Bridge for any individual. Christians would be crammed according to the Class VIII tapes as LRH says Jesus Christ did not exist. People would be free to worship their version f the 8th dynamic as LRH touched very little upon that subject. Since we would have a perfectly run society, KSW and Keep Admin Working would be enforced to ensure that no working installation would ever be tampered with and fall astray. It would be a society in harmony, of fun, laughter, ARC and respect for LRH. It would be a world without war, criminality and insanity. It would be a world that all of us have desired since millions of years.
Maria summed up the big thread with:
I’d like to suggest that this OP is not a thought experiment at all. It is a logic experiment. It runs in fits and starts because it is attempting to construct a world out of illogical and fallacious thinking. The C of S IS the real thought experiment, carried out in physical reality.
And then she proposed her own thought experiment that several contributors voted to put up as a separate blog post:
I am conducting my own thought experiments in knowing how to know. Part of that has been sorting out EXACTLY what were the effective agencies of change that resulted genuine “wins” or insights while engaging in Scientology processes. I am not interested in theories or models. I am interested in WHAT OCCURRED that effected / resulted in a change of consciousness / reality in ways seen to be beneficial.
Current questions I am examining are:
And so the question becomes: What worked? And why?
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