Loss, learning and gain

To quote my good friend Ole Wiik: “Practice what you want to get good at.

I used get worked up about losses in life. I didn’t handle them all that well. That started to change when I did the Scientology levels OT 7 & 8. But I didn’t really get to practice my ability to loose without being stressed out, until this year. I learned a lot from loosing my mother. A couple of weeks ago I got to practice loosing yet again when it was clear that my marriage was over. The next week I lost some USD 300K when the new owners of FreeCode had managed to drive the company into the ground.

After loosing my mother, my wife, 50% of the time with my kids and a future with my family, the loss of money was really nothing at all. When I sat there contemplating life’s recent events, I realized something profound; I needed to practice loosing in order to prepare myself for death. Now this may sound overly dramatic or even depressed. But it’s not. It was a really upbeat epiphany.

When you die, you loose almost everything – your body and identity, your family, friends, your stuff, social connections, HP-calculators, and the list goes on. I imagine most people are not fully prepared for that moment when their body finally yields. I certainly was not. But practice makes perfect, and I am determined to be good at all parts of living, including the final moment. So, I welcome these recent losses. It makes for great practice.

What OT 8 did for me was to unstuck me from my past. No more “shame, blame or regret“. No more grumbling on what I should have done or what could have been done. What’s done is gone. That prepared me for this year’s practice in being good even at loosing. But what do you know, it also improved my ability to win.

When I am fully able to loose, I am fully able to win. And vice versa.

I will add that I have the deepest respect for Katrine. She is a wonderful woman, highly able and truly amazing. I was hesitant to include her in the “Amazing person” blog post series as I didn’t want to reveal anything about our divorce before we decided it was OK. Katrine is a fantastic mother, a highly effective business woman, extremely productive and inspiring to all those who are lucky to meet her. But working together and working very hard during the last few years did take its toll. Love died and it is time to move on. We remain the best of friends.

During my 20 years of relationship with my wife, I apparently got quite good at sending “fuck off”-signals to other prospecting women. As the word got out that I was divorcing, several prospects got in contact. However, I was adamant at being single for a year or so.

I alluded to something a couple of blog posts ago: “I have written a series of “Amazing person” blog post. And it never occurred to me that something truly magical would happen in my life. But it did. And I am now pretty sure that there was a connection between me opening up my eyes for the amazingness in other people to what has recently happened. I will not yet relate what it is. All in due time.

Time to reveal a bit more.

Scientology counseling helped me to really sharpen my focus and decision skills. To the point where decisions take no time and actions are completed without fuss. I got very A to B. So when a truly amazing person, whom I have known for some time contacted me in a very direct manner, I was taken off guard. Then I got struck by lightning. Then it was done.

To illustrate a contrast in my life, let me show you two poems. I wrote this first one two months ago:


In the comfort of HyperList and programming
philosophy and finding the way to truth
away from awkward social situations
but seeking the thrill of them but still

Comfy and cozy even with love as void
missing compassion and passion from a companion
but appreciating the appreciation from the many
friends are important, then. Brendan the most

Music and art fills a void
helping someone fills it even more
but not completely, as loneliness is often nice
calm in my own solitude though that cannot be all

Emotions and tears and a sigh of relief
sometimes nature does wonders, the stars always do
I can have the space, the energy, but time not so much
there is still time to find all the answers I seek.

The second one I wrote two days ago:


A bond beyond what I could have hoped for
This is true love to the core
#brilliant #honest #kickass #smart
Your courage and affection struck right to my heart
#breathless #whimsical #oncloud9
Taking life in anew, you make me shine
#warm #emotional #soulmate #near
I love when you shine, bright and clear
#commitment #loyalty #strength
I will support you - to any length
I see you. I feel you
I trust you and love you

Time is merely a consideration. The above is an example of what scientologists call “Tone 40”.

Funny how life turns and is turned. Interesting how practice makes perfect. And good to know that one can be at cause and then cause life to be filled with joy.

Peace.

88 thoughts on “Loss, learning and gain

  1. I feel like this post is the Geir I wanted to see but never got to see in Norway. It’s really a touching post and the fact that you could reveal yourself like this makes it incredibly inspirational and powerful. I am sorry about you and Katrine — and although I am not surprised — I really love both of you and truly hope you guys are going to be happier in the long run.

    Geir Isene, when he shows up, when he is present, when he is actually there is one of the most creative, brilliant, and fun people to be around. Reading this post I am reminded of why I wanted to move to Norway and work with you.

    Thank you for writing this buddy.

    Love the second poem. #brilliant

  2. Brian’s first comment was the single word “love” and I will add to it the single word “tears”. I am moved.

    You may remember when I wrote a reply a while back that I didn’t really explain, which was “I am jealous!”. I already sensed in you the essence of what you’ve written today.

    And along with everything else, I get that in the space you’re in you have “forgiven” (for lack of a better word) Scientology too. Here’s a quote that suits you, Geir. A definition of happiness: “a state of admiration of things”. (PAB 8) 🙂

    1. Wonderful poems! And also, two inspirational quotes:

      “When I am fully able to loose, I am fully able to win. And vice versa.”

      “And good to know that one can be at cause and then cause life to be filled with joy.”

  3. GEIR.
    It seems some cycles needed to be ended in you life in order to advance on a new adventure. and loss it self in reality a new creation-experience which serves as a base for continuum.

    the ghostly state: spiritual state.

    Now that is very simple, the machinery=body which is the implant itself, holds one in the implanted state, just been cremated. !

    Panic sets in: The suddenly freed Spiritual Being belief, comes to the conclusion: I am no longer a person: since No one can hear me, understand me, I am here but no one can see me and everyone thinks I am dead because of that and I no longer exist because of that I am not a live, no longer I am , !!!

    The separation from the body as in death, with that act one has given up that implant: Which are: doing-ness, thinking the thought, all the agreements, the considerations about the universe that includes MEST, which are: the self the beingness, the identity and everything around ones daily life which includes family and friends.

    Bodies can hear through the ears, see with eyes, make sounds, talk-communicate, use hands, can push around other matters: objects and all that activity and all its believes: ARE IMPLANTED INTO THE BEING that one is that body therefore one has a ”life-and lives” so in that moment when one is separates from that machine that person believes one no longer has those reactivities, that power, that knowledge, the communication skills because one no longer see, hear, taste , touch, etc… experience that MEST through the VIA OF THE BODY.[ yet still has everything, that knowledge was not erased with the death og the body.]

    Sad state to be in, that is the reason one must get rid of all those human beliefs as-is them in session, by as-is-ing them one will have that cognition ” LIFE IN FACT JUST STARTS FOR US SPIRITUAL BEING BY NOT HAVING THE BODY!”

    And one will realize also that having the body in fact is an imprisonment for the Spiritual Being.

    So in the Spiritual State [ when not having body] the being loses the reality the meanings of implants =life and believes that there is nothing existing outside the bodies life: therefore feel that he become nothing, powerless, useless, invisible, can’t communicate any more, or play a game with others, create things in general and with that have effects on the Universe.

    So this Ghostly state too need to be confronted and can be audited WHILE ONE STILL IS CONNECTED TO THE BODY, HAVING ONE, They, these items can be confronted the same way as any other item, since they are existing because because they are consideration and considerations can be as-ised.

    The way I see it, my reality, when one drops a body with that act, one steps out of that implanted crap…

    True life begins for a Spiritual being when is no longer being tied to, being in the prison of the body.

    Have fun my friend…

  4. When my ex husband left in 2001 I was heartbroken beyond measure. For a short while after the break up, I dated a couple of people, more than just casually. I was looking for THE ONE! Ha ha! I saw very quickly that staying single for at least a year was the way to go. Eleven years later, I am still single and I have decided to remain that way until my youngest son, now almost 16, goes off to college. I have seen too many people remarry in haste with questionable results, especially for the kids. I am stable, happy and creative now beyond measure and I have found The Greatest Love of All…which is ME (and my sons, of course)! I’m still really learning how to properly take care of myself, spiritually, mentally and physically. I learn something every single day, along with taking the best of care of my awesome youngest son, my pride and joy and the only one left at home. I watched his brothers blossom into incredibly well educated and successful adults, in large measure, I believe, because my main focus was on THEM, not on a new relationship. Watching them and now my youngest blossom untethered by aberrated considerations has created the greatest blossoming in me as well. I have transformed from an impatient, chronically unhappy and yes, scared-out-of-her-mind-to-be-single person to a woman who is relaxed, comfortable in her own skin and happy to just BE. (Getting Power Processing in the field last year helped a LOT, too.) Everybody’s situation is different, Geir. You might find a relationship that turns your world around in the most positive of ways. And if that works for you, BRAVO! But for me, staying happily single has given me time to reflect on who I am and exactly what it is I want out of this short sweet life. “Every day is a winding road, I get a little bit closer.” Sheryl Crowe

    Love your poems, love your posts. Keep writing, my friend. Hugs to you and your family.

    Terry

  5. This blog post touched my soul on so many levels.

    I’m absolutely sure plenty of new adventures await you. Sounds like you’ve been sent an Angel. #sunshine

    1. Yes, I have been sent an angel; The ONE. She is amazing beyond words. When time is right, you will see an “Amazing person” blog post on her. #breathless #love #future

      1. Congratulations, Geir! It seems really constructive what you are going through and I only want to say that I’m really happy for you. 🙂

  6. Wow.
    I’ve never lost anything of the order of magnitude that you have just expressed but just reading about your attitude to your recent losses has got me reflecting not so much on my past losses as on my fear of future losses.
    Your words have brought these fears to the fire and for that I thank you
    Congrats on your new Angel – it must be a dizzying feeling. Enjoy.

      1. Best wishes! However, Geir is enjoying every Planck second with you. Therefore he seems to be enjoying his time with you approximately 54 million, billion, billion, billion times more than you are enjoying your time with him. If you check, he may back me up on this.

  7. Living through change, releasing and embracing. So vivid. So powerful. The world turns and a NEW day dawns. I am thrilled by what you have written!.

  8. Geir: “I know that we are both very able at creating #purelove”.

    Would you mind commenting further on your concept of “pure love” and the ability to create
    it?

    1. In this case it is totally natural. Instant communication, no friction and an abundance of admiration and affection both ways. This girl is both brilliant, skillful, beautiful tp the core and issueless. It is easy to admire her, be proud of her and to give her endless affection.

      This a moment in time where my future becomes very different in only positive ways.

      1. Wow, that definitely sounds like soulmates. I’m really happy for you!

        What you said, including about your future. reminded me of my favorite description of the second dynamic: “…the vessel wherein is nurtured the life force of both individuals whereby they create the future…” (SOS)

        Thanks so much for sharing your life with us. I get that it’s a new life and a new you! 🙂

          1. Tell her that I wish her freedom from endless implants and traps (descendent spiral) after leaving.
            I love when beautiful girls and women are enjoying themselves.

      2. “issueless” Never seen it once in my life and frankly dont believe its possible but if you think you got it- god bless you

        1. Brian we are on the same page on that….
          “issuless”… no one on this Planet is issuless.. if there would be no issue existing, than that being would not be on this Planet.. Only those who have issues are on Plamet Earth.

  9. Marriage was ended when love died. That’s it. Other words are useless. You know how is it…rather a weekend of ecstasy, than a life of tragedy… Cheer up, both you and Katrine! May both of you have a nice life and enjoy your wonderful kids! PS. Forget about thinking of death. You’re really to young for this.

    1. Love did not die…Love never dies…. love cant die, It is impassible for love to die. Two people disconnects simply because their activities in the MEST Universe, the doing-ness becomes different, have different reality about MEST activities…. They go on separated ways… but love never dies…..

  10. Hi Geir,
    Well, glad to see you’re doing well, chin-up, tally-ho, that’s a good chap . . . loss, learning, gain — all part of the circle of life, yada-yada. Good. Ok. Covered the OP.

    Now if it’s not too much trouble and if your can find time in your busy schedule, some of us are over here trying to figure out GRAVITY and COULD USE YOUR HELP! — Thank you.

  11. Hi Geir,
    Well, glad to see you’re doing well, chin-up, tally-ho, that’s a good chap. Loss, learning, gain . . . all part of the circle of life, yada-yada. Good. Ok. Covered the OP. Now if it’s not too much trouble and if your can find time in your busy schedule, some of us are over here trying to figure out GRAVITY and COULD USE YOUR HELP! — Thank you.

    (Geir, sometimes I get the feeling that you’ve allowed your focus to slip from blogging.)

    1. LOL! I love the injection of levity.

      (You are being partly funny and partly serious! :D)

    2. Geir was busy with a non-UFO anti-gravity phenomenon,
      and now he is busy with a non-gravity based attraction 🙂

      1. You lost me on the “was” part but on the “now” part, are you sure there’s no gravity-based attraction involved? I have often wondered if love has a lot to do with the actual physics of ARC 🙂

          1. Okay, maybe not gravity-based, but love does seem to be an electromagnetic phenomenon. That could explain why people in love “feel so light” – because of the electromagnetic fields that can “look like they reverse gravity” (ref. your wiki article). People talk about walking on air, and flying. A positive kind of perfect storm seems to take place, and sometimes even lightning strikes (ref. the OP ;)), All of these natural folk expressions could be intuitive, as language often is.

            And this perfect storm phenomenon definitely seems to involve admiration particles. I don’t think LRH was using the term “particles” figuratively, which is the other thing I’ve wondered about – what is this subatomic particle exactly?

            Thanks for the links :). And may the Force be with you too!

            1. Thank you for these wonderful finds. Spectacular video! And some very Scientological concepts in that article you linked, including the basic ones of postulates and creating.

              I guess everybody “knows” about the magnetism of love but I don’t think science has proven it. Maybe they’ll find the admiration particle before they find the God particle. Or at the same time ;).

              From the article: “…love is a magnetic force of attraction. This magnetic energy attracts compatible objects and events towards itself. Your creation will draw people, events and any necessary objects toward itself. The more power you give your creation, the sooner it will become physically manifest.”

              That sounds very much like what Geir was saying when he commented on creating love and admiration. And his gratitude for even the losses came to mind on this part of the article:

              “Gratitude is a great way to feel the flow of universal love…”

              Since gratitude is a universal concept and tomorrow is Thanksgiving Day here in the U.S., I want to wish you (wherever you are :)) and the lucky ones in Norway and everywhere a Happy Thanksgiving!

              May the Force be with us. 🙂

            2. My take: There is no “admiration particle”. The Higgs Boson (“God particle”) has already been found a few months back (it’s what gives other particles mass).

            3. No admiration particle? Okay, do you also not agree that there’s an actual energy, a wave-length. to specific tone levels?

            4. I believe Tone levels are carried by energy wavelengths (electromagnetic force).

              Reason why I think there is no “Admiration particle”: It doesn’t fit with observations or with the best theory in the history of mankind. The same theory that once again got validated this year by the discovery of the Higgs.

            5. I do remember the news article about the Higgs particle but I got the idea they weren’t certain about it. Anyway, I don’t follow that stuff too closely and don’t know much about particle physics in general, but could you explain in a simple way how the adimiration particle is invalidated by these best current theories. It’s just so real to me that it is a certain “energy” that it is created by thetans and that is perceptible.

            6. They’re quite sure:

              “On 4 July 2012, the CMS and the ATLAS experimental teams at the Large Hadron Collider independently announced that they each confirmed the formal discovery of a previously unknown boson of mass between 125 and 127 GeV/c2, whose behaviour so far has been consistent with a Standard Model Higgs boson.”

            7. Cool. Thanks for that. Pretty exciting for you physicists. 🙂

              Meanwhile, I looked at some references. It may be ambiguous or I’m misinterpreting what LRH means by “admiration particles”, and you may be right in the sense that admiration is no certain particle. Here’s an excerpt from PAB 8, the reference for one definition of “admiration”:

              “Love, if you have ever noticed, does not much care where it sits on the Tone Scale, as we find a young man deeply in love starving himself to death (a characteristic of apathy) and a young girl in love in a dreamy enthusiasm which makes her bloom…Admiration is a particle which unites and resolves like the universal solvent all types of energy, particularly force. Hate coheses and hardens energy. Love is the human manifestation of admiration… (happiness being a state of admiration of things).”

              Also, in the Tech Dictionary there is this definition of happiness: “not itself an emotion. It is a word which states a condition …”

              So it seems to me now that love, admiration and happiness are all of a package, and aren’t fixed energy manifestations, such as a specific particle. Yet they do exist as specific concepts and realities that can be perceived, but exist at different tone levels. What do you think?

            8. I believe several of Hubbard’s ideas as metaphors or models not necessarily based in fact. Admiration particle is one such, I believe. Reactive mind I believe to be another.

            9. A metaphor is something being used in a non-literal way to represent something else. So in the case of “admiration particles”, what would that something else be?

              It seems to me that the term “admiration particles” is a direct and literal reference to a particular class of energy manifestations. My idea now (since reviewing that excerpt of PAB 8, is that it doesn’t necessarily refer to a certain, specific particle but rather to a whole class and range of particles that vary in finite measurements.

              For me there was a semantics problem, and a parallel would be with the word “affinity”. Affinity can refer to some specific energy wavelength OR to a whole category of waves that vary all up and down the tone scale. Admiration particles have that same range.

              Also, “Reactive mind” doesn’t seem metaphorical either. It refers to a particular “machine of considerable magnitude”, and that machine is composed of the interactions and reactions of actual created energies. Mind you, some of the descriptions in DMSMH were definitely metaphorical, such as “file clerk”, but in later writings the description of the reactive mind became very direct, IMO.

            10. Speaking of particles/waves, how do you suppose a thetan sees or perceives?

              On a related topic, do you now think there is actually a “real world out there”?

            11. Val, do you mean MEST perceptions. Or perceptions of the so-called “theta universe”? (I say “so-called” because per LRH that universe also consists of energy, just a higher range of wavelengths than the energy of the physical universe.) Scn 8-8008 has a lot of data on perception in both universes, including the exact mechanics of how it’s done, but here are the basic definitions it gives:

              “MEST Perception: Recordings the thetan takes from the organs of perception of the human body as a short cut to perception (lazy perception). The body records actual wave emanations from the MEST universe, the thetan uses these recordings.”

              “Theta Perception: That which one perceives by radiating toward an object and from
              the reflection perceiving various characteristics of the object such as size, odor, tactile, sound, color, etc…”

            12. Here are some other great quotes from Scn 8-8008, relevant to this thread:

              “Affinity is a TYPE of energy and can be produced at will.”

              “Any energy has as its basic particle a dimension point. The dimension point can be of different kinds and substances. It can combine in various ways, it can take on forms, become objects. It can flow as energy. A particle of admiration or a particle of force are alike dimension points.”

              “Admiration: approving attention given to.”

              And from the Tech Dictionary:

              “Admiration, 1. is the very substance of a communication line and it is that thing which is considered desirable in the game of the three universes. (COHA) 2. a particle which unites and resolves, like the universal solvent, all types of energy, particularly force. (PAB 8)”

            13. Geir (and Valkov), did you know that LRH also did not believe in a RWOT (Real World Out There)? This is from Scn 8-8008:

              “How does one communicate? A method of permissible communication is via MEST. One places his ability into hands eyes, etc., and by sound waves, light particles and others, communicates. He has “put the blame on MEST.” Actually, all these particles are his own IMMEDIATE creation by agreed-upon implicitly believed ritual. His body, even the Sun, is there because he co-believes with many other viewpoints that they are there. He mocks-up the MEST universe continually…”

            14. Thanks for the references, marildi.

              I meant to address the questions to Geir in view of the discussion about the possible existence of various particles.

              Now this reference from 8008, “Theta Perception: That which one perceives by radiating toward an object and from the reflection perceiving various characteristics of the object such as size, odor, tactile, sound, color, etc…”, seems to assume the existence of a “real world out there”, towards which a thetan radiates or emanates something(like light or sonar), either waves or particles, in order to perceive the reflections.

              I am wondering what is it, that the thetan radiates? Maybe it’s those “bosons” Geir claims do exist? If so, or in any case, is a thetan then creating what it radiates? Does a thetan “shine” by his/her own light?

              That is the implication of the Factors and the Axioms, and the whole idea of a Static. Or as the Incredible String Band sang in one of their songs, “My eye (I?) was single and the light that I saw by, was the light that I was…..”

            15. Val, you wrote, “I am wondering what is it that the thetan radiates?”

              In Scn 8-8008, LRH calls it “flitter”, which he describes as being dimension points created by postulate. I couldn’t say whether it’s bosuns or Higgs particles or what, but the LRH definition of energy – all energy, which would include “flitter” – is “postulated particles in space”.

              I already posted the quote from Scn 8-8008 about “flitter” downstream a bit (for Elizabeth), but here it is again:

              “The best communication is by the thetan’s own creation, despatch and return of dimension points. That which he thus perceives is really real to him and he takes full responsibility for it. He puts out golden clouds of “flitter” in order to so perceive. Simply by putting out (by postulate) this flitter…”

              Btw, I googled it and here are the exact lyrics of the first part of that song by the Incredible String Band that you quoted, which may indeed have been referring to “flitter”:

              My eye was single and my body was filled with light
              And the light that I was, was the light that I saw by
              And the light that I saw by, was the light that I was

            16. Thanks again marildi.

              The song is titled “Douglas Traherne Harding”, which is itself a portmaneau based on the names of 2 people: Thomas Trahene and Douglas E. Harding.
              There are some videos of Harding on Youtube titled “On Having No Head”:

              Traherne lived earlier, before Harding. He was a British mystic philosopher and poet and Mike Heron quotes him at the end of the song:

              You never enjoy the world aright
              “Till the sea itself floweth
              In your vein and you are clothed
              With the heavens and crowned with the stars”

            17. Oops marildi, I forgot to mention the Physicists…..

              Is it possible they are involved in fulfilling their own prophecies? Perhaps they discover new particles as they postulate them. Perhaps the boson did not exist as such, until they envisioned it. Perhaps envisioning it brought it into being and made it discoverable. Prior to that, perhaps it did not exist? It only appeared out of the flux when it’s qualities were defined.

              A few years back there was Physicist named David Bohm, mentioned by Lyall Watson in his book “Gifts of Unknown Things”.

              Bohm created a new description of reality he called “the enfolded order”:

              According to Newtonian physics, an object can be tracked over time, moving through space. This assumes that it is the same object that moves from place to place.

              Bohm suggests that the object does not move, but is created again in each new position; each time it “unfolds”and reappears, its form is generally similar, but there are differences in detail. Our description of an object, what we like to think of as objective reality, is an appearance that is abstracted from a hidden (or in any case, unseen) flow.

              “it’s deja vu all over again!”

              A question for Geir (or Chris)- is the uncertainty principle a certainty? 🙂

            18. Valkov: “I forgot to mention the Physicists…Is it possible they are involved in fulfilling their own prophecies? Perhaps they discover new particles as they postulate them.”

              That’s probably as plausible a theory as any. There might be a kind of evolution similar to biological evolution.

              Reminds me of another very interesting idea that I came across in a promo piece not long ago. It’s similar to what you’re saying but where you say the physicists are postulating the particles into existence, LRH would say they are postulating their existence (in the hypothesis sense of “postulate”) as a result of intuition! From the Phoenix Lectures transcript, 20 Jul 54:

              “During the ’30’s, I’d been on several expeditions and I had learned from various barbaric cultures that Man basically does not think in any other way than Man thinks. Just because he is thinking about one subject or another subject is no reason he is thinking differently. He will come to the same conclusion whether he is doing his work by nuclear physics, mathematics or doing his work by mumbo jumbo. What he does is get an answer and then he justifies it with some symbolic track. I was quite convinced of this and that Man was drawing a sort of an artificial bridge between his conclusions and his basic problems. He was evidently getting there by intuition and loudly promising everybody that he was getting there by logic.”

            19. Forgot to mention – I perceive thetans, especially Releases and Clears and above, to emanate a soft white light flowing out from a central point But by no means is this limited only to those who have received some Scientology processing.

            20. Wow, nice ability, Val. I guess we’re talking auras. It’s supposed to be a psychic or spiritual power to be able to perceive them.

              I remember reading one time that some scientists were studying the energy field around a body and were surprised to discover that there was a single source point from which energy radiated. They had no explanation for it.

              Thanks for the data on that Incredible String Band song. I’m not surprised that it had a quote by a poet-philosopher. The lyrics are definitely poetic.

  12. If you are SCNist or not, SHIT happens! True Statement.
    After I left the COS I made 30 % more turnover and almost 100% more
    PROFIT. And you know what happend: Some asshole, a client starts making
    BIG troubles, and it was so BIG that I really wanted to close my company right away. To be honest, I took into account to buy a pumpgun to get rid of the client. *looool
    True Statement from Hubbard. If you expand, earlier or later you pull in psychotics.
    I came through and money keeps rolling into my pocket.
    Just keep going, keep going, keep going, = usefull principle.

  13. Marildi… “Theta Perception: That which one perceives by radiating toward an object and from
    the reflection perceiving various characteristics of the object such as size, odor, tactile, sound, color, etc…””
    THETA PERCEPTION IS:: ACCUPIEING –BECOMING that experience in that moment and that experience is the creation of the moment.. and by creating-experiencing that one simply know the reason for creation… existence therefore one know everything about that experience..
    That which one perceives by radiating toward an object etc. is not correct. I would say incorrect.. in fact the human being in the MEST universe experience the same way but the location, time, size, odor sound color : what is, those are the added considerations to that experience,
    Theta is always create-experience in the moment of ‘’NOW” than add the rest of beliefs- thoughts to that creation and those are the alteration –change-modification =lies which keep that original-experience in MEST, makes that the part of the MEST…

    1. Eliz, it sounds like you are talking about a high level of communication. What do you think about this:

      “There are many levels of communication. The best is self-determined communication by postulate containing no effort. But any is better than none.

      “The best communication is by the thetan’s own creation, despatch and return of dimension points. That which he thus perceives is really real to him and he takes full responsibility for it. He puts out golden clouds of “flitter” in order to so perceive. Simply by putting out (by postulate) this flitter…”

      “A thetan can be what he can see. He can see what he can be. If he can’t see it as a thetan (not as MEST eyes), he can’t be it. If he can’t be it, he can’t see it.”

      (Scn 8-8008)

      1. Marildi….“There are many levels of communication. The best is self-determined communication by postulate containing no effort. But any is better than none.””

        “””But any is better than none.””
        The above: this I find Intriguing because I know all communication happens the same way, only the person who communicates receives communication believes that that communication has different levels…..[MEST universe: communication- by words-sounds.] Those things are the added considerations and they are not needed in the first place… and have nothing to do with the original communication besides being believed that is essential and that too is a consideration.

  14. Marildi.
    1” “There are many levels of communication. The best is self-determined communication by postulate containing no effort. But any is better than none.

    There is only one level of communication regardless what the being believes in.
    Human beings are after all spiritual beings. But by human consideration the communication really distorted by via, and said it is this way or that way… done by words etc…. but no matter what the belief are the basic communication is in place… But the human say “”” I have to hear the sounds-words in order to understand what that terminal is communicating to me…. nonsense… that part “”I don’t understand is a consideration and nothing more..
    Please trust me on this or self… you have gotten that telepathic communication loud and clear in the first place.. but you just said I will wait for the words and I will believe in that… You are just playing a game and nothing more.
    “”“The best communication is by the thetan’s own creation, despatch and return of dimension points. That which he thus perceives is really real to him and he takes full responsibility for it. He puts out golden clouds of “flitter” in order to so perceive. Simply by putting out (by postulate) this flitter…””
    2 This, the above… sorry my dear. I think LRH was speaking Greek, and I don’t understand Greek. In other words I have no idea what he is talking about… and by now If he would be talking about which existing on communication on its mechanic I would understand it.… I would get it.
    3““A thetan can be what he can see. He can see what he can be. If he can’t see it as a thetan (not as MEST eyes), he can’t be it. If he can’t be it, he can’t see it.”
    (Scn 8-800
    Right, that my comment was to you, before this.

    1. Eliz: “Right, that my comment was to you, before this”.
      Yes, that’s why I remembered that quote and posted it. It was just what you said.

      E: “You are just playing a game and nothing more”.
      I think that’s the level of communication that LRH mostly writes about, the level of the game we’re in, because that’s the level of understanding most people are at. Here’s a quote where he talks about perception from a higher level of understanding.

      “How does one communicate? A method of permissible communication is via MEST. One places his ability into hands eyes, etc., and by sound waves, light particles and others, communicates. He has “put the blame on MEST.” Actually, all these particles are his own IMMEDIATE creation by agreed-upon implicitly believed ritual. His body, even the Sun, is there because he co-believes with many other viewpoints that they are there. He mocks-up the MEST universe continually…”

        1. I think who said what is interesting to know. That’s why I like to hear or read what different people say. Including you ;).

          1. LEVITATION…
            I have not finished with these subjects yet.
            Just last night walking again I was looking at levitation since I sense those forces while I am walking… and every time I get into confronting this subjects new realism surfaces and I have realized even the atmosphere is created, that pressure around the Earth in order to keep the body safe, solidly on the ground and the weight itself per inch on the bodies surface is alone mind boggling!
            But not only here those postulates about levitation are in existence now, but every other place we have been in the Universe where we had a body which walked on the surface of the planet had some kind of agreement too.
            The body is being kept… connected… made to remain on the surface of the Planets by countless devices, invisible of course and by now we have forgotten these but they are still intact and in good working order , just because we don’t remember them that do not make slightest difference to these past postulates.
            Old postulates are very securely in place every one of them simply: because when we made those postulates we were than very powerful considerably more than we are now.
            Levitation is vast and complicated element, subject when it comes to have as an idea a consideration to move the body by thought-wish-postulate, and especially when one wants the body do something “””which is not in the present time agreement of the planet”””! WE HAVE THAT AGREEMENT NOW, HERE.
            Therefore that individual “wish” will not happen will not come through no matter how one concentrate on that idea regardless how much that is wanted by that person.
            One counter postulate against billions who hold that collective agreement in place not to levitate: not likely that can happen than.
            Here, on this Planet levitation is not “”in the agreement”” at the present time, you see, you already agreed too that you can’t, just because you want to change your mind now, well that do not work, your earlier counter postulate are strongly in place against what you WISH TO DO NOW.
            Here are few examples what our counter postulates: weight, body have weight, solid, solidity-hardness, firmness, inflexibility, on this items alone there is a huge agreements that it exist, it is real! And everybody swears by that it is so, insist on that!! Hehehe.. and they will think you crazy if you say otherwise….
            Gravity, we have gravity on this Planet which pulls the body down, also there is weight -mass from above called atmospheric condition which plays a huge role that things remain in place and don’t fly around and remain where they were placed by you.
            On that alone you insist that it should be so…. what a humongous agreement that is!
            We value things immensely so we made it sure that everything is solid dense compact and stays there… my god they are too!!!!
            Unless of course if not stolen…moved by some felonious minded being…. Hehehe who also sees its value…
            Here is a small reminder about the track which has been forgotten: There were places out there when levitation was considered a major crime!! If one was captured committing such offence going against the rules was punished severely. Controllers low toned individuals come in every shade: who must have their way and use force to achieve that control over others at all cost.
            There were Planets set up as prison Planets and over this planet a huge electric netting was placed so no one could escape, if anyone has tried they gotten entangled held there by that electric net…. [I am sure many of us have that incident an our track]
            The electric fence what is used here on this planet has originated from there.
            Interestingly that knowledge is still there in the minds of those persons who were prisoners on those planets, and not likely they will want to levitate because of fear they might get captured….
            There also some bodies have implanted devices to keep one solidly on the surface.
            And because other time on the track we went into that agreements and they are still in existence… holding one solidly onto the top of the EARTH.
            I could give you dozens-dozens explanations why we can’t lift the body off and allow it to float -hover around and I don’t even know them all… since our universes are so different, I have no idea of your past adventures why you have agreed and established the reasons that you can’t levitate.
            Levitation is on extraordinarily complex subject… since solidity is also included put of that subject.
            As spiritual being I can be any place any time in this Universe, I can, but my postulate does not work: to lift up the body from the surface of the Planet… that means I have not found all the existing considerations-agreement so far I have made… but I have not given up…

            1. It wasn’t a sour face (this is a sourface: 😦 ). The face I posted was a wink, indicating that I was teasing you. I was trying to say that if there weren’t people like me who are interested in “who says what” we wouldn’t be reading what you write either. 😉

  15. theta spirit at all time is invisible, has no color, no mass, no odor, therefore no size, what is possible what one can see is an anchor which the spirit is attached…. a light is used by many to hold an to.. but that light is not the theta..

  16. Geir, it looks like there’s a wordpress problem or something. All the comments are all the way over to the left instead of indentations for replies.

    1. Being in London and then off to Dublin later today – can’t check it out until tomorrow evening when I get back home.

    2. It’s something wrong with wordpress, I’ve managed similar problems with them in the past. Geir, stay in Dublin. Enjoy a Guiness for us, too 🙂

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